So, if there’s a loud event that occurs only in the left channel, a stereo compressor will respond by applying gain reduction to left and right together, while a multi-mono compressor will only attenuate the left channel. This was interesting in the Stereophile habits thread. Anyhow, here we have great lost music that would certainly be gobbled up by classical music lovers when made commercially available, plus the possible touring opportunity to go around to every major city in the country (or world for that matter), and perform these great pieces. Going way back to the days of cylinder records, there have been repeated demonstrations in which people could not tell whether there was a live performer or group behind a curtain, or whether they were listening to a recording or a performance piped-in from elsewhere. You might be surprised, or I am an idiot…, Stereo VS Multi-channel amplifier performance, The common amplifier classes for the masses →, ← Replacing capacitors – to do or not to do. So to my mind, we're at a different place, historically, in jazz. But if you have heard cylinder recordings or acoustic flat discs played back through the original equipment, as I have, I think you would have to concede that performers could not "adjust the sound" of a string quartet or a soprano or even a piano to sound like a like performer. This means 130w of power for audio and considering efficiency and the rest of the amp, I would expect about 250W power draw, on the back is stated 340W … you get the point. At some point, I asked him how he listens to music only, and he said he runs to whole 7.1 setups. Likewise, all of the music that would go to your right speaker will go to all of the speakers on the right half of your room. who are today's Beatles? The sparceness of pickings in Jazz and pop/rock certainly make matters worse. and I keep refering to Yuja Wang. (It is for cinema, for reasons related to the annoying acoustics of presenting something in a room that size and trying to avoid pulling the audience out of the picture. I even got a nice email from Warren B. in that it is how it was recorded in the studio. I'm mildly disappointed, esp. The audience was persuaded not to detect the differences of live versus recorded/piped in sound for other reasons that were psychological and not auditory. Panning should never EVER result in any signal coming from only 1 speaker in a multichannel recording. A few months back there were a World Premier and 2 U.S. Premiers of three lost Beethoven Piano Trios. The only disc that has bothered me that MC SACD fixed was Warren Bernhardt's Ameilia's Song with his piano hard right channel rather than the typical center stage for the main artist. When stereo hit we were in the very early years of hifi. But they are not just competeing with each other. You can't go back and convert stereo and mono sound recordings to multichannel without making them some gross bastardization of the original material. I'll be rockin out to that tonight (after I get back from the Godzilla movie at the American Cinematheque) funny thing about all this. Quote: I wondered the same thing, and got the answer from the new book 'Perfecting Sound Forever,' which is a history of recording. There is so much more available now in jazz, (for an endangered art form, a whole lot of albums are being made) and all of them are at least decent, and mostly better. But IMO the ship sailed on this one and there will never be enough material done right on multichannel to make it viable. Thinking about hooking up and trying some SACD/DVD-a Mch sound. 2ch Stereo (2CH STEREO): The receiver outputs the sound from the front left/right speakers only. I don't think I agree. Also, I've been on an 'old recording' kick lately, buying both a DG set of early 20th Century recordings and one from Naxos. Do I spend the money on the amazing reissues coming from Analog Productions, Music Matters, ORG, Audio Fidelity, Classics etc etc or do I hold out for the mulitchannel releases of the Miles Davis prestige recordings? Oh yeah, absolutely. Wireless Bluetooth Home Stereo Amplifier - Hybrid Multi-Channel 3000 Watt Power Amplifier Home Audio Receiver System w/AM/FM Radio, MP3/USB,AUX,RCA Karaoke Mic in - Rack Mount, Remote - Pyle P3301BAT. I can't do without Pollini's late sonatas, but I'd much rather have Lewis or Schiff's account of the late sonatas than some of the more 'classic' recordings by the more lionized pianists, i.e. This kind of trend is cyclic. well, nobody. ). I had heard about it but, somehow, I have not gotten to actually hear it. In a two-channel system (also known as stereo), you might hear some of that sound effect, in that it might get the left and right parts right.A two-channel system can’t help with the front to back movement, however, and that’s the critical part of a surround-sound system — it surrounds you! Another factor that I hate on a high-fi receiver is all the processing, the sound goes through so much crap that it’s barely sound when it hits the amplifier stage. There certainly are a few very exciting new artists in classical but again we have this amazing body of work already recorded. Also look at these really young kids coming out of nowhere, playing like ARTISTS, and not like some competition warhorse of the 80s, that sewer of a decade for classical music lovers. you would be assuming right. Yet, not a word from anyone. Think of multitasking and you will get the idea. Yes, how many performances of Beethoven's Piano Sonatas do we need? Even those with mch HT systems don't give a crap about compression and are mostly concerned with explosions and car crashes. Do you have the new Hamonia Mundi release of David Lang's "Little Match Girl Passion?" Search multi-channel amps at Audio Advisor for your specialized audio taste. Steinburg and Snow, then 1939, Fletcher and Snow, showed that a center channel is essential to getting the front soundstage right. Third, there is the ubiquitous iPod generation that is as likely to grow additional ears as develop an interest in sedentary listening. Stereo files have 2 channels and will play back on the left and right speakers. Someone dropped the ball big time here. Much more intelligently considered, without sacrificing virtuosity or poetry. DTI MA1600.4 1600 Watts 4-Channel Car Audio Stereo Amp Mosfet Power Multi Channel Bridgeable Amplifier with Bass Remote Control Included. It is inevitable that as the body increases so the bar goes higher for me to wish to buy yet another recording of some work that I already own (in some cases in multiples). IMHO, if you like it use it. A string quartet would be in a smaller hall or, even, a rather large salon. I think what's going on is a general increase in excellence, as Stephen Jay Gould described in 'Wonderful Life.' I was actually surprised when I saw him carrying a box to his car. Multi Channel Stereo (MULTI ST.): Outputs 2-channel left/right or monaural signals from all speakers. That was a fine example of the benefits of multichannel done right. “I have no bass without the Subwoofer”. You read the accounts of these events and wonder, how could they not tell?? I think John Marks, on his landmark Miles Davis piece, gave us the heads up about Kind of Blue was a 3 channel tape as well. So I like the Boulez/NY SACD-only release of Ravel, which puts the listener in the middle of the orchestra with instruments all around, and I also like other multichannel performances where the surround tracks have only ambience info (e.g., Abbado's Mahler DVD-V's containing multichannel DTS sound). It is an amazing piece of music that pulls together texts from Hans Christian Andersen's story "The Little Match Girl" and texts from the St. Matthew Passion. I saw her with Charles Dutiot at Disney hall. So I've concluded that if a multichannel version adds to my involvement in the music, I don't care if it's realistic. I forgot about it and was wondering why the hell is he “avoiding” me Monday morning. For example, a symphony orchestra could be expected to perform in a concert hall. Without MCSACD I could not have adjusted this great disc to my liking. So when I get here I usually have a stack of great recordings waiting for me. I will not goo to deep and try to give a surface explanation that makes sense. I skipped over a bunch of reasoning in my first note, but I agree with you - I think the performers did what they could to tuck in their sounds, and the audience - which both wanted to believe and was being encouraged to believe - went along. I have much music on cassettes that I like and listen to on occasion, but what gets me to stop is the ill defined central images due to phasing problems on tape at 1/7/8 and the lack of true clarity. A 2 channel amplifier might have a smaller power supply block but there are only 2 channels drawing power from it. Mono vs Stereo Mono and Stereo are two classifications of reproduced sound. And we have productions methods carried over from quad, and "dialog only" center channels, and all sorts of theatre production necessities crippling our multichannel home audio. I think that lps can as well, but that depends up your TT, cart, and phono stage. Back when so much of the great stuff in the 50s and 60s was being recorded it was supremely fresh for the hifi enthusiast. Honestly, one of the problems with audiophilia is that it is often akin to necrophilia. They now have a lot of technology, Bluetooth, wifi, streaming and are designed for movies, surround, streaming and functionality but music needs TWO channels, music is recorded stereo (most of the times). On a non-hybrid, this is a bit of an oxymoron as there is normally just one layer, although very rare non-hybrids with two DSD layers exist. The standard argument is that everything's already been said and that coming up with a way to be 'original' in jazz is damn near impossible. This is part of what I mean when I say that most multichannel production is, err, primitive. Different surround sound types encode and decode this audio differently. Gustavo Dudamel is amazing! If you look at the state of pop. Through all this we had stereo and it’s hard to imagine the music and movie industries would sound like without it. Stereo sound specializes in transmitting sound out of the two speakers of the headphones; the left and the right. I will keep an eye out for it. As far as Jazz goes there is definitely an increase in technical excellence. What we think is that talent as far as technical ability, is all over the place. How much of that is in high quality multichannel? thats probably multichannel stereo, my personal taste is to use dolby pro logic II when listening to music, stereo is so flat and boring , unlinke multi-channel stereo, it actually derives 5 channels from music that are entirely unique and it is capable of well mimicing a large live perfomance and giving a new perception of spatiality that i simply find incredible sounding. A stereo amp may internally contain two independent mono amps in one chassis (sometimes called a "dual mono" design), but in most cases they also share a common power supply. I wrote WMFT to ask when they might be available for commercial release. 1934. They are excellent pieces and a great find for the classical music world. And because of my line of work I often spend several months at a time away from home. Not to mention the stack I usually bring home from the local music scene from what ever location I was working. Talent as far as creativity and innovation is concerned is always few and far between. Yet people persist in writing novels, even great ones, and using the innovations to good, creative ends. they are being measured against our great legacy of recorded jazz. Umm. check this out and note that it is actual real time.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1fgo7hp-Ko&feature=related. We had the same issues in the 1960's and 1980s, until something new happened. The work won the Pulitzer in 2008 and a CD has just been released. Equipment isn't good enough for one. The main part of this is power, a 7 channel amplifier will have one transformer and one main dc filter block, yes they will be bigger but still, you draw power for 7 channels from the same power block. Yeah, they are great but we've already heard them. So yeah, I'm spending my money on those ::gasp:: LPs that are brilliantly being remastered rather than spending any money to go multichannel. There is no sound from the subwoofer. In this situation, all of the music that would normally go to your left speaker will also go to your left side and rear speakers if you have them. Although they may be more palatable because of the added "ambience," in no way do they sound like a live human voice. Another example is Tchaikovsky's 1st Concerto, perhaps the most famous of all piano concertos. I don't think I described the state of music as decrepit. My take on this as I bought one of the first Meridian 565 surround sound processor is that it depends on the processor you have and it depends on the speakers you have. But the point being that "we already have this amazing body of work already recorded." It's hard enough to get today's recording artists to just back off on the compression. The uniformly high state of technical ability makes it harder to stand out because "everybody" can play Trane's or Sonny Rollins' solos. I am almost certainly not as up to date as you on what is being released these days. Wide sweet spot, wonderfully realistic and you would swear that the two rear speakers weren't even on-the effect was too subtle to pinpoint, but absolutely effective. For recording studios, radio and television stations, sound system installations, or any multi-channel audio application, Belden also offers audio snake cables up to 32 pairs. I don't think there is any solution for this problem. I certainly don't think classical music is in a decrepit state these days. I think I have sung the praises of Yuja Wang a few times here. I listened to all of them on the Marantz SA8005, as the multi-channel SACD's have a stereo layer. Re: Multi channel surround vs stereo. I give an example. Get it as soon as Thu, Jan 7. The quality and investment in the stereo setup is higher than the multi channel but I think that reflects the quantities of music that I have multi-channel vs. stereo. The amp is rated at 65w / channel. See www.aes.org/sections/pnw/ppt.htm for a deck that examines some of the issues. Audio Advisor has high-end amplifiers like Bryston, Parasound, and Marantz. Can you imagine a pianist like Pierre Laurent Aimard, who came out specializing in Messiaen & Ligeti and now traversing through Bach, Beethoven, et al., thriving in the 80s? When I first heard the disc I thought something was wrong with my system. Geez. The core features of a stereo receiver differ from a home theater receiver in two ways. For every disgusting attention-whore like Lang Lang, there's a Jonathan Biss or Sudbin or Lewis. I doubt that Mr. Fremmer has an issue with this. Can you imagine them putting Vladimir Horowitz just outside the left stage curtain! Don't have great hope for this experiment for many reasons. Since you mentioned piano, let's just stick with new pianists & recordings. That is not to say there is no good new music but we can't ignore that it is always weighed against the existing catalog that now has a solid fifty years behind it. This week bought an Yamaha DVD S1800 that plays CD, Mch SACD, Mch DVD-a. It might do a bit better due to the fact that a lot of people will have their home theaters set up to play them back. What strikes me as more likely is that the general spread of excellence and knowledge in jazz makes it harder for a major statement to stand out. All of those venues are acoustically quite different from those of a listening room or living room in a modern home. Now if we consider how many of these are available in well recorded multichannel.... And once again I have to point out this extraordinay golden age of audiophile reissues we now enjoying. Gotta give them a spin tonight. Another thing that always gives us a good laugh here at The Audiophile DIY, is the trend where manufacturers managed to create the impossible, when manufacturers discovered a way to generate energy out of the air, space travel should be close. Even if the recent classical recordings are any indication, that is not the case. Try locating a few of the Nimbus reissues of acoustic 78's of opera arias. Well, some of them are hybrid SACDs, but here's the point: you said there were 2 answers why the multichannel is the way it is today: 1. state of the music and 2. state of multichannel. 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